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    Ammunition...

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    Since the 1960s, gun control supporters have tried to get one or another variety of ammunition banned, severely restricted, prohibitively taxed or excessively regulated, to discourage the acquisition of guns and undermine their use.

    For example, though the Gun Control Act of 1968 preamble stated that the law was not intended “to place any undue or unnecessary Federal restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms,” the law required purchasers of handgun-caliber ammunition and rifle-caliber ammunition that could be used in a handgun to sign ledgers documenting their purchases.

    Because the requirement resulted in a massive amount of paperwork that served no law enforcement purpose, Congress in 1982 rescinded it as it applied to .22 rim fire ammunition and in 1986, as part of the Firearms Owners Protection Act, rescinded it as it applied to center-fire ammunition.

    In the 1980s, gun control supporters claimed they wanted to restrict new handgun bullets made of metals harder than lead, which had been invented to enable law enforcement officers shoot through walls and doors, but they instead pushed legislation that would have banned traditional ammunition manufactured with bullets made of lead, commonly used for self-defense, hunting and sports. The Departments of Justice and the Treasury, and the NRA, opposed the legislation and the NRA helped write the “armor piercing ammunition” law that Congress instead adopted in 1986.

    In the 1990s, gun control supporters again proposed banning traditional ammunition, a move rejected by the Treasury Department. Separately, they also sought a 1,000 percent tax on 9mm, .25, and .32 caliber ammunition, a 50 percent tax on all handgun ammunition, a ban on mail-order ammunition sales, a requirement for a background check to purchase ammunition, and a limit on the amount of ammunition a person could own without an “arsenal license.”

    In February 2015, two years after failing to get Congress to ban the AR-15 and other general-purpose rifles, the Obama administration attempted to bypass Congress to ban the second most common ammunition used in the rifle. It withdrew the proposed ammunition ban after a majority in each house of Congress and over 80,000 Americans opposed the ban in letters and emails to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Congress threatened to reduce the chronically problematic agency’s budget.

    Gun control supporters quickly took advantage of the situation to again call for a ban on traditional ammunition, like the bans that Congress rejected in 1986, and the Treasury Department rejected in 1997.

    Meanwhile, gun control supporters are trying to get traditional ammunition banned on environmental grounds as well.

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    ...Which brings us to the following BS going into effect July 1st, 2019 in the Socialist Republic of Kommiefornia:

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    Newsom's Coveted Ammo Background Check Law Is Set To Go Into Effect July 1st...

    Gun owners in California are buying ammunition en masse as they prepare for a new ammo background check law that is set to go into effect on July 1. Beginning next month, every time a person in the state purchases ammo, he or she must undergo a background check.

    The new law was passed back in 2016 when California voters passed Prop. 63, the gun control law then-Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) championed. He exclaimed:

    “From San Bernardino to Ventura to Poway, too many Californians have already died from gun violence,” now-Gov. Newsom said last week. “I championed Prop. 63 because it is beyond time that we take common sense actions such as these to keep deadly ammo out of the wrong hands and protect our communities.”

    Proponents of the law say it will weed out prohibited possessors because it forces people to purchase their ammo face-to-face instead of online.

    What it's really doing? Jacking up the price of ammo so law-abiding gun owners can't afford to carry.

    A $14 box of 50 rounds of .9mm will now cost $34 ($1 for the background check, $19 for the basic ammunition eligibility check if they aren't in the Dealer Record of Sale system). That means that the price per round jumps from .35 to .68. That's just about double the current price. And that's just what they're proposing fee wise. It hasn't been finalized yet.

    Most Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) generally charge $25-$30 every time they run a background check and we have no idea if they'll have to tack on that fee. Remember, they have to be paid for their time as well.

    Gun owners know the rather stupid law is coming so now they're stockpiling ammo...and who could blame them? There's absolutely no incentive for them to buy ammo down the road. They're better off buying a brick of 1,000 rounds for a few hundred bucks than buying a small box here and there.

    Mike Hein of Ade’s Gun Shop in Orange told the Los Angeles Times he has seen a more than 10 percent increase in customers making bulk purchases of 1,000 rounds.

    “People are starting to stock up. We stocked up on ammunition,” he said. “Most people know about the deadline. They are running scared. They are pissed off.”

    Six-time Olympian Kim Rhode, in conjunction with the California Rifle and Pistol Association, filed a lawsuit against the state in April 2018, challenging the legality of the law.

    According to Rhode, the regulations could prevent her from practicing for the Olympics. When I spoke with her at SHOT Show earlier this year, she told me how this law would personally impact her, as an Olympic athlete. Her ammo sponsor would no longer be allowed to mail her boxes of rounds for her to use during practice. Essentially, she'd no longer have a company paying for her practice rounds, which is, arguably, the most expensive part of the shooting sports.

    “These regulations essentially prevent me from being able to stay qualified and not only hurt my skill, but jeopardize the United States’ representation at the Olympic Games,” Rhode told the Times.

    The real kicker in this gun control move: criminals aren't going to suddenly decide to comply with the law. They're not going to say, "Oh, darn. I'm not allowed to have ammo so I'm going to stop committing crimes." If that were the case, they wouldn't have firearms, despite them being prohibited possessors. Another law doesn't make someone wake up one day and decide they're going to change their ways.

    This law will only do two things:

    1) Price Out law-abiding gun owners who want to protect themselves or participate in the shooting sports from being able to do so

    2) Increase the number of straw purchases....because, you know, criminals will do anything in their power to get their hands on whatever it is they want.


    Author Credits:

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    Posted: June 11, 2019 7:30 PM


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    There is no length the gun-banners in California will go to since they can't outright ban guns.
    https://www.govtech.com/public-safe...-Court-Upholds-Bullet-Micro-Stamping-Law.html
    1. Make it impossible to manufacture a gun that will pass their 'dreamed-up' specifications.
    2. Make it impossible to buy any ammo with their endless regulations.

    This is the hell these people out there have voted to live in:bang Head:.

    The good news is, they serve as a 'Guinea-pig' for things the rest of the civilized country needs to watch out for:rolleyes:.
     
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    Yea...heard that !!

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    The thing with the Winchester Black Talon was that after 2 horrific mass shootings involving that " evil black killer load " in the early 90's alone...Winchester/Olin voluntarily pulled it off the market themselves...as a PR move to save face under increasing anti-gun sentiment.

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    "In December, Colin Ferguson killed six people and injured 19 more on a train in New York. Supposedly, he loaded his handgun with Black Talon.

    Seven months later, Gian Luigi Ferri loaded his gun with Black Talon and open fired in a law office in San Francisco, California, killing nine people. Gun grabbers jumped at the chance to push their anti-gun agenda.

    Time magazine described the Black Talon as a bullet “designed to unsheathe its claws once inside the victim’s body and tear it to pieces.” A surgeon in Houston said Black Talon “explode inside a person like a thousand razor blades.”

    The media called it exotic and “designed to do greater damage than ordinary ammunition.” Many politicians called for an outright ban on Black Talon ammunition. Even a family member of a victim from the New York shooting attempted to sue Olin Corporation for the manufacture, sale and marketing of Winchester’s Black Talon ammo.

    The gun community is all too familiar with the lies and language of fear from the media and anti-gun politicians. Those knowledgeable about guns and ammunition know that a Black Talon isn’t any more deadly than other hollow points, just like an AR15 isn’t any more deadly than a Remington Model 700.

    Nevertheless, Winchester still buckled to the pressure and in 2000 discontinued the Black Talon, albeit in name only.

    Winchester repackaged and renamed the round throughout the years. Introduced in 2007, the Ranger T Series is still available for purchase today.

    The Ranger SXT is the same bullet without the Black Lubalox coating. Some even say that SXT stands for the “same exact thing.” If you are desperate to get your hands on the original Black Talon, you can find it online, but at a jacked up price.

    However, not many would recommend spending the money unless you are a collector or a sucker for nostalgia. Black Talon, though innovative and groundbreaking back in the day, is nearly 25 years old.

    Bullet innovation, invention and design have come a long way baby and there are plenty of effective, accurate, reliable and better self-defense rounds available today. "

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    I myself, back then and over the decades since, have collected multiple caliber offerings ( 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .45 ACP ) of all the Black Talon I come across at gun shows for calibers of guns I own... even as recently as 2018 ( 10mm ).

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    Received this email from Freedom Munitions today:


    California Shipping

    Due to new laws in California, we will not be taking any California orders after 6/21/2019.

    If you are a dealer please visit https://www.freedommunitions.com/dealers to get set up with our dealer program.

    We appreciate all the years of business with the great state of California and hope to be able to do business in the future. Thank you all for your business!!!

    *California orders not shipped by June 26th. 2019 will have to be cancelled*

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    Just one more nail in the coffin lid:rolleyes:.
    There are still some Californians with half a brain:
    https://www.desertliferealty.blog/2018/03/23/why-are-californians-moving-to-arizona/

    New York has realized that millionaires are fleeing that state in droves.
    Part of their "Tax the wealthy and give the money to the worthless" program.

    California will find out that it is trading it's productive people for homeless people and illegal immigrants:
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    Nice!:wink:


    How long before these people will have to resort to crime against people that can't buy ammunition?

    Yeah, I really want to live here!:
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    Now that's Progress!!!:lil guy:
    https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/03/12/california-death-spiral/
     
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    No...Progressive !!


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    ... " oh nooooo !! "

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