Sig P365 vs. Glock 43, why?

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    Ok, I am posting this just because it has been bugging me and I need to get it out. Ever since the advent of the new Sig P365, it has been compared to the Glock 43 and the M&P Shield. It is my belief that this a brilliant stroke of marketing genius by Sig.

    By comparing their P365 to the two guns mentioned above, both of which are single stack 9mm's, Sig are able to make the 365 seem like a true game changer and it is said regularly that it is a "double stack that is the size of a single stack", which continues the idea that it is truly a game changer, even though it is slightly thicker and larger in some ways than both.

    However, it is my belief that if the P365 were directly compared to other subcompact double stack 9mm's as it should be, especially the Glock 26, it would seem far less revolutionary. Declaring that your new super subcompact is slightly less thick yet holds the same amount of ammo as the competition sounds far less astounding than claiming that it is the same size as a single stack but holds as much as a double stack.

    Interestingly too, in a world where throngs have declared that, unlike the Glock 19X, the world is clamoring for guns with longer slides and shorter grips, the main ways the Glock 26 differs from the 365 is in the fact that the Glock has both a longer barrel and slide as well as a shorter grip than the 365, thereby making it more concealable since everyone knows, the key to concealability is a shorter grip for less "printing'.

    So, when all is said and done, the P365 is a bit thinner than a Glock 26 Gen5 but has a shorter barrel, slide and sight radius and a slightly longer grip. Right now they are more expensive than a comparatively outfitted Glock 26 and have much more expensive magazines. To top it all off, the P365 is lacking the tremendous track record of reliability and trust worthiness that the Glock 26 line has.

    I think Sig brilliantly saw this and that is why it is marketed so well as a competitor to the Glock 43, rather than the 26, and the gun media has been all to eager to continue the conversation in that direction.

    I should mention that this is not a commentary on which gun is better, just thoughts on the effectiveness of marketing. I actually have little interest in either gun. I have never liked the feel of the Glock 26 and I don't particularly like the looks of the Sig so I am not in the market for either, I much prefer guns in the Glock 19 or larger realm.
     
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    I have to agree with Sig Sauer’s marketing of the P365. It’s brilliant. The 365 is noticeably thinner and shorter in the slide than the 26, but with the same capacity.

    And, while not a true single stack like the 43, the 365’s dimensions are much closer in comparison to the 43 than the 26. This little gun is going to put a serious dent in the 43/Shield marketshare.

    I think Sig hit it out of the park with the 365, especially when it comes to marketing it against the 43 and Shield. Brilliant.

    JMHO. YMMV.



     
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    This isn't even a direct comparison with the G26. The G26 would seem to have no attributes to make it more attractive than the Sig, unless one feels they must have the ability to use 17 round mags, or must have the thicker grip shape to fit their hands.
     
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    I would still argue that comparing it to the 26 is more a direct comparison than comparing it to the 43, which is what everyone does. The 365’s main selling point when compared to a Glock 43 is that the Sig holds 4 more rounds, which is significant. The main selling point compared to the 26 is that it is slightly smaller in some but not all areas, somewhat less significant. The 26 and the 365 are both double stack 10 round sub-compacts. They should be compared to each other. It is just sill in my mind to rave about a double stack gun because it holds more rounds than a single stack.

    As for the 26 having no attributes to make it more attractive than the Sig, I mentioned that in the original post. The Glock has a longer barrel, sight radius and a slightly shorter grip than the Sig, all things that the Glock 19X haters say the 19X should have because they are so important.

    And last and far more important, not only is the Glock 26 based on a very proven platform, the model itself has a 22 year track record of accuracy, reliability and dependability. That alone is an extremely important attribute that sets the two guns apart.
     
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    With the P365, Sig has basically fit a G26 into a G43. Hickok45 was pretty impressed by the new Mini-Sig. I am too. I’m on my LGS’ waiting list. Can’t wait. ✅

     
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    Here is a good size comparison for those that are interested.

     
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    Rumor is, Sig has halted production of the P365...
     
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    And, the Glock 43 and Shield is still alive and kicking. Game changer? Doesn't look like it.
     
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    Brilliant marketing stroke?

    Personally, I don't think so... it seems to be a matter of fact.

    According to the Sig Sauer web site, the P365 is a 1" wide 'Micro' pistol.

    As such, it seems to me that the Sig P365 is a 'high capacity' Micro pistol aimed at other 'Micro' pistols (G43?), but not necessarily 'larger form factor' pistols.

    Please refer to the chart below.
    (Sorted by length. G26 added for comparison.)
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    According to Annette Evans (whoever she is) in the video, Phil Strader is a man..... no other title.:confused;
     
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    Sorry... I'm missing your point.:confused:How about 'spelling it out' for me.;)Best regards,:smilie flag:Bob
     
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    Oh. THAT Phil Strader. :confused;:wink:
     
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    In other news, Sig, a/k/a Negan, pays a visit to Glock and S&W...

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